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Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.08 13:35:00 - [1] Originally by: Esmenet Limitations and competition needs to be introduced for missions like any other resource in EVE. What a bad idea. Whatever limit you make, people will use alts to get around it. People will just use alts. Even 1 mission per day and people will use alts so you acheived nothing. Also, do you even relise how bad the logic is? You want to get more cloak ravens ratting in 0.0? Oh wait, lets stop that as well by limit rats such as a few spawns a day. Lets nerf traders by limiting who many people can buy from you a day. Lets nerf PvPers by limiting how many people they can kill. TBH they should nerf people like you from posting without playing the game. The OP has not a clue what he is talking about. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:17:00 - [2] This is the most ****ed thread I have read in a long time. Missions are limited by TIME. Currently, mining ice is limited by TIME. Moon mining is limited by TIME. Trading those NPC goods, which are in infinite supply, is limited by TIME. PvPing in noobships is Limited by TIME. Killing rats in belts is limited by TIME. Competing for resources? Give me a break. The low value resources exist so people can get a foothold. Missions paying out even 25mil/hour is begger money. Missions, NPC trading and a few other things exist in infinite supply because they are of low value. If you think 25mil/hour is high then you are probebly the type of person who thinks making ú1 a hour in RL a mighty sum. Get over the insurance nerf. I have never seen these forums hit this level of ****edness in a long TIME. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Lord WarATron This is the most ****ed thread I have read in a long time. Missions are limited by TIME. Currently, mining ice is limited by TIME. Moon mining is limited by TIME. Trading those NPC goods, which are in infinite supply, is limited by TIME. PvPing in noobships is Limited by TIME. Killing rats in belts is limited by TIME. Competing for resources? Give me a break. The low value resources exist so people can get a foothold. Missions paying out even 25mil/hour is begger money. Missions, NPC trading and a few other things exist in infinite supply because they are of low value. If you think 25mil/hour is high then you are probebly the type of person who thinks making ú1 a hour in RL a mighty sum. Get over the insurance nerf. I have never seen these forums hit this level of ***edness in a long TIME. Wow. I wasn't arguing insurance nerf. Were any of you other gents arguing the insurance nerf? I disagree on the limit of time. While time has it's effect, there are many other limits in this game, including supply and demand. Take veldspar, for instance. The most common asteroid, but because of current market imbalance, also the most profitable to mine. It's one thing to disagree. I, personally, think your just trying to insult and get your picture seen by people as someone who can 'finalize' the discussion. And for MANY players, 25mil/hr is very good money. Please contribute, if you wish. Calling us rtards, though, is no contribution. If you think 25mil/hour is OMG isk and must be nerfed, then you are probebly playing the wrong game . But ignoring actualy isk values, Whats your Solution? Limit people to 1 mission per day? What will that acheive? How will that stop people using alts. There needs to be a instantly accessable resource in eve otherwise new players and bankrupted pvpers will be competed out of the game. E.G newbie wants to pvp. He logs in his noobship keep to make isk to fund his pvp. Oh dear, he cannot ming veld to get a better ship as he was "competed out" of it. Pvper gets beaten up and is down to his last raven. He does a mission and boom, message pops up to say he his hit daily limit and he made 5mil on that mission. Is that what you want? Whats you solution? And whats the problem? -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:49:00 - [4] You are asking for a solution to a problem that does not exist. Please clearly define what the problem is, who has been harmed and what the solution is. Anything else does not move anybody forward. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.08 18:32:00 - [5] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 08/08/2008 18:32:49 Still waiting for someone to say why this is destroying pvp and what solution should be used. All these pages of whining, yet nobody has defined why this is destroying pvp nor mentioned a solution? This ranks among COAD worthy threads in terms of uselessness. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.08 18:44:00 - [6] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 08/08/2008 18:46:35 Originally by: Ruze I'm not sure anyone has said they are for a change has related to that change being 'good for PvP'. Good for the game? Yes. Good for continuing to entertain and diversify the areas we have? Yes. Good for PvP? Only as much as it would be good for the game. How is it good for pvp if nobody has mentioned a solution? I have kicked many people's bankrupted ass out of 0.0, they do missions to recover and come back to try to get revenge. In fact, for lots of people kicked out of 0.0, their main method of recovering involves missions. How do you propose backrupted 0.0 players recover and return to do pvp? How do you propose that pvpers who use missions alts to fund their pvp? Before you say lowsec, I spent most of my first year in eve living in lowsec, making isk there and fighting pirates etc etc. I know what its like and it needs a massive boost to both lvl4's and lvl5's to make it viable to most current people in eve. What exactly is the problem and what exactly is the solution? Nobody knows if the medicine works if the patient has no symptoms. -- Billion Isk Mission

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